The 57th in this occasional series of
reprints from Quote Unquote the
magazine is from the December 1994 issue. It is an interview with Kim Hill who
then had the morning show on National Radio Monday to Friday, followed by some
passages I transcribed from the show. Topics covered include Naomi Wolf
hyperventilating, “photographs of the royal family bathing topless” – how prescient
– and sitting on Jeffrey Archer’s face.
The intro read:
She wields more influence on what books we
buy and read than anyone at Whitcoulls. More, even, than Quote Unquote. The author reviews and interviews on her popular
morning show on National Radio can make or break a book. With an estimated
222,800 people listening every day, she’s New Zealand’s main source of
information and opinions on writers and books. And with her strong opinions and
readiness to argue the toss with her reviewers, Kim Hill herself seems to have
read every book ever published.
How does she do it? “Bluff,” she tells
Stephen Stratford. “Bluff, bluff and bluff.”
KIM HILL, BOOKSELLER
What
is the selection process of books and authors?
We get a whole lot of titles in precis from
the publishers and weed our way through them, and put in our own ideas as well.
It’s a kind of symbiotic relationship
–
we don’t always do the books they want,
and we sometimes do books they don’t want us to do.
Who’s
we?
Me and my two producers, Maryanne Ahern and
Heather Church.
Do
you try to get a balance between fiction and nonfiction, New Zealand and
overseas?
The balance sorts itself out. We get a
broad range offered, but if we ask for an author interview it tends to be
nonfiction. That’s because nonfiction tends to be current events that we can
have a discussion about. There’s no policy of balance. For reviews we tend to
do fiction, I’m not sure why. We’re often offered gardening, art and cooking,
but they might fit better into another part of the programme, and they’re
pictorial – which is hard to do on radio.
You
manage to talk intelligently about two books a day. I couldn’t do two a week.
What’s your secret?
Bluff. Bluff, bluff and bluff. I read a lot
and read very fast – not necessarily very effectively. They don’t stay with me:
it’s like swotting for an exam – when it’s over, they go blip and you shove the
next one in. It’s speed reading, or skim reading. I spend two hours a night
preparing for the next day’s programme and then I go to bed and read the book.
The girls here say I don’t need to, that
we’ve got a reviewer to do the book. I get criticised for interrupting the
reviewer, and maybe I do it too often, but I think it makes for a more
interesting dialogue on the book. It can be good if we disagree – we don’t as
often as I thought would happen.
I do have a little trouble with sporting
autobiographies – it’s a foreign language to me.
Your
interview with Jeffrey Archer has become legendary. Did you find him
intimidating?
He was kind of weird. So weird that it was
only afterwards that I thought he was intimidating. At the time I just thought
he was going mad. Someone sent me a poster of him and I put it on a seat so
everyone could sit on his face.
There’s a certain arrogance sometimes with
authors, they may think the point of view I’m expressing in a question is
always mine, or think I shouldn’t ask that question. That irritates me rather
than intimidates me.
Given
the size of your audience, while a good review on your show will obviously lift
sales, a bad review could damage sales, and hence the author’s income. I’m
thinking particularly of local authors - for example, Stevan Eldred-Grigg’s My History, I Think got a drubbing
recently. Do you feel any responsibility in these cases?
If we only reviewed the books we liked, and
only said that we liked each book, that would undermine the credibility of the
book reviews. And it’s that credibility which is responsible for the positive
effect we can have.
Some books should never have been
published, they’re so self-indulgent and inept. I’d probably hate it myself [to
be on the receiving end] because an author puts so much of themselves into a
book.
Has
anyone ever said thank you for the exposure and helping boost their sales?
Nobody’s ever said thanks, nobody’s ever
said, “Blast your eyes, you’ve ruined my life.”
There
must have been authors who were daunting not because they’re awful, like
Archer, but because their legions of fans will have read every word and know
their work by heart – and you haven’t.
Doris Lessing was the most intimidating, or
at least the prospect of interviewing her was. I was enormously fraught
beforehand. She was very difficult to interview, she’s quite terse and businesslike.
She doesn’t expand – some people are lovely and expansive and give you time to
think of the next question.
I really enjoyed talking to Jim Crace, we
rambled around in an amiable fashion.
What
do you read for pleasure?
I’m trying to get through E Annie Proulx’s The Shipping News, but I have to keep
putting it aside for all the books I read for work so it’s taking me an awfully
long time. I did read Postcards when Graham Beattie reviewed it for us and
waxed lyrical. She’s my favourite author at the moment. That’s one of the best
parts of this job. I would never have read Elmore Leonard if not for this job;
now I’ve developed a taste for crime.
You’d
never know it as a listener, but there must have been a few disasters. What
happens if there’s a no-show?
I just carry on with the interview already
underway because I usually want to carry on talking anyway. Or we find
something else – there’s always more ideas than we can use. Today, for example,
there was no book review because the book reviewer got the day wrong.
I’m sometimes disappointed with authors. I
looked forward to Naomi Wolf and we had a terrible time. We didn’t get on, and
she started hyperventilating down the line from America. She took great umbrage
at me asking some of the standard questions – like how did she reconcile The Beauty Myth and Fire With Fire, and where does she stand on feminism – but no, no,
she couldn’t understand how I could ask these questions. And she started
hyperventilating.
Authors
aren’t always articulate – perhaps they’re writers because they’re better at
writing things down than speaking about them.
Surprisingly often they are. I would assume
they would never be, but so often they are able to talk.
The troublesome thing with many of the
well-known authors is that they’ve answered every question before. You try to
surprise them, but then there’s the danger of being too clever, appearing to be
smart. But you’re not trying to make them happy, you’re trying to make the
listeners happy.
I’d like to interview Robert James Waller,
the author of Bridges Of Madison County,
because I can’t believe how terrible that book is, and how many people have
liked it. I think it’s part of the backlash – a big strong man sweeping the
helpless female into his arms. Maybe we don’t get a chance to indulge our more
primitive instincts. Now they’re making the movie with Clint Eastwood in the
male role, it puts me right off.
What
are your likes and dislikes from your own reading?
I hate
Janette Winterson. She represents a genre of self-indulgent obscurity
masquerading as deep and meaningful literature. It just seems so precious. As
for likes... God help me, I still have a soft spot for Ernest Hemingway. And
Henry James – Portrait of a Lady is
my all-time favourite book. And Jane Austen.
I like Owen Marshall very much, he’s a
clever writer, Maurice Gee – though it’s boring to say so, everyone says that.
I really liked Shonagh Koea’s latest book, Sing
To Me, Dreamer, which I’m happy about because I wanted to like her but
couldn’t quite. Now I’ll go back to the earlier ones.
Selected
highlights from three days of Kim Hill in November.
Kim
Hill: Nancy
Tichborne’s Flowers is a record of her watercolours and she joins me now.
Good morning.
Nancy
Tichborne: Hello.
KH: I’ve just been talking to you about storm damage. There are
gardens all over this country weeping into their aspidistras as we speak.
NT: It’s tragic.
KH: How did you go from fashion design to gardening and landscape
designing?
NT: Well, it’s all visual. If you’re interested in the visual world
you probably could take on a lot of design problems. The whole time you’ve got
to be looking, being very very observant and I’m quite sure half the people on
the plane didn’t see what I saw looking out of the window – there was
ultramarine blue and cerulean blue and then raw umber spilling forth out of the
mouths of these rivers I was looking down on.
KH: I feel a painting coming on.
Kim
Hill: The book’s called Diana: Her New Life, but it’s not, is it? It’s a sort of a dreadful
kind of embattled existence.
Andrew
Morton: It’s certainly a lonely existence, an
unhappy existence, an existence where she’s trying to make sense of her present
life, trying to learn from the mistakes of the past and trying to make some
sense of the future... She has, despite all the clouds which have surrounded
her over the last years, some vision, some little sunlight of what she aims to
do in the future.
KH: She’s an odd mixture, though, isn’t she, Andrew? I mean, kind of a
mixture between Mother Theresa and Madonna, I suppose. She does all this
charitable work,
she is keenly interested and touched by
humanity, but at the same time, as you report in your book, she has an
obsession with, shall we say, fringe therapies and she spends megabucks on
fringe appearance-enhancers.
AM: Yes she does. This is one of the things that makes Diana such a
fascinating character because she is a mixture of contradictions.
KH: You’re probably wary of trying to justify what appears to be a
rather prurient interest, not only on your part of course, but on our part, on
the whole world’s part, into the personal lives of Charles and Diana and the
rest of them. Why should we know all this stuff? Why can’t they just get on
with their lives. Why is it our business? AM:
[They are] a part of the Western weave of our social and cultural lives, they
occupy a mythic place in our imaginations... We will continue to be fascinated
by them, and especially by the, you know, dramatic tension in this
relationship. At the moment we see the Princess of Wales trying to struggle and
carve a new life for herself, and the Prince of Wales trying to re-establish
himself. It is an unfolding and fascinating drama.
KH: Is there a difference between writing about it and hiding behind a
bush and taking photographs of the royal family bathing topless or whatever?
AM: There’s a huge difference between interviewing people on the
record or off the record who are demonstrably close to the Princess of Wales.
Kim
Hill: A British television documentary has
questioned the worth of Mother Teresa’s charity work in India. The programme
apparently accuses her of having a penchant for the rich and powerful no matter
how corrupt...
Laurie
Margolis: It is the total antithesis of any image
that one has ever had of Mother Teresa of Calcutta.
KH: Which is sort of standard iconoclastic work, I suppose. It calls
her Hell’s Angel, doesn’t it?
LM: There’s one rather extraordinary story which it claims is the way
she became known as this almost saintly figure. It says that a well-known
British figure called Malcolm Muggeridge who died some years ago, a
larger-than-life television personality and a prominent Roman Catholic, went to
make a film about her when she was just a nun running an orphan’s home in
Calcutta. A lot of the stuff that was shot in rather dark rooms was rather well-lit,
almost had a glow to it, and Muggeridge decided almost immediately that this
was a divine light, that it was a miracle, and therefore the myth of Mother
Teresa started, according to the programme.
They had the cameraman on, and he says far
from it being a miracle it was simply that the BBC had just taken delivery of
some new stock from Kodak and it was particularly good in low light conditions.
KH (laughing): Laurie, thank you for your time this morning. No doubt
the fallout from that programme will continue – and no, Virginia, nothing is
sacred.
Kim
Hill: Is this a good book?
Grant
Nisbett: It’s a very interesting book, it’s a book
about the most controversial, talked-about, accident-prone, incident-prone
cricketer of all time. What strikes me most, Kim, is the honesty of the guy.
Ian Botham of course is a regular Jekyll and Hyde... Early on in the book he
describes, or his mates describe him as Bungalow which means, or their,
interpretation of that means nothing upstairs and that perhaps is quite apt for
Ian Botham.
KH: What, you mean cos he’s thick? Is he being honest, though, when he
says that yes, he indulged in the odd beer, and yes, he had the occasional
joint but he was really character assassinated by the media who would, you
know, jump on a waitress who happened to serve him and say did he ask you for
sex, did he ask you for drugs? Was he, you know, an innocent boy caught up in
the big time?
GN: No, I don’t think so and I think there’s a little
bit more to the guy than that. As I say, I think it is an honest book and he
does concede that he did certainly take drugs and was involved in some
unsavoury incidents off the field, but generally speaking he touches on all
these. But the media does cop a fair bit of criticism and he hasn’t got too many
mates in the media. In fact, one of the underlying themes in the book is that
he hasn’t got too many mates full stop. Those he has he’s very loyal to –
fellows like Vivien Richards, Bob Willis. But my word, he’s got a long list of
enemies and they’re listed as well.